View Single Post
Old 04-02-12 | 02:55 PM
  #94  
merlinextraligh's Avatar
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,812
Likes: 1,233
From: Jacksonville

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Originally Posted by NathanC
It's my opinion alone that it is evil, clearly.

That "growing evidence that consumption of alcohol makes you live longer" is relating to a very small amount per day; not the amount consumed by the average person in this day and age.

I.E, this from your little list. An Italian study of 1,536 men aged 45-65 found that about two years of life were gained by moderate drinkers (1-4 drinks per day) in comparison with occasional and heavy drinkers.21
The one you happened to cherry pick shows 2 years added life for moderate drinking, up to 4 drinks per day. I'll sign up for that program.

I'm not arguing that it's a good idea to drink heavily. I am arguing there are positive ways to use alcohol, and thus alcohol per se is not evil. Simply because there are also harmful inappropriate uses does not make the substance evil.


Originally Posted by NathanC
And you think the positive effects outweigh the negative effects of alcohol in society?
Yes. Three of the studies in post 60 clearly show that the net positive health effect of moderate consumption more than trumps the public health negatives of abuse.

Alcohol prevents more deaths than its abuse causes in the United Kingdom, according to research from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.28
•Scientists at the University of London concluded that light and moderate drinking saves more lives in England and Wales than are lost through the abuse of alcohol. If everyone abstained from alcohol, death rates would be significantly higher.29
•The Cancer Council of New South Wales concludes that "If the net effect of total alcohol consumption on Australian society is considered, there is a net saving of lives due to the protective effect of low levels of consumption on cardiovascular disease


Add in the hedonic pleasure from alcohol, the social lubricant, etc. and the net effect of alcohol is a positive, admittedly with negatives, but on balance a positive.

And the vast majority of civilized cultures in the world that embrace alcohol, and reject prohibition would tend to confirm that this is a widely held conclusion.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

Last edited by merlinextraligh; 04-02-12 at 03:02 PM.
merlinextraligh is offline  
Reply