Thank for all the feedback, though I'm starting to think that for me at least the benefits of Ti may not be worth the cost. I can pick just about any price point and still get an all around nicer bike in steel. Today at least I'm still thinking that I'd like to go a step or two beyond say, Surly. I can get into some very nice steel bikes for the price of a custom built Vaya Ti, which after looking at some of the other options is starting to seem like entry level Ti. On the other hand I can buy a Windors Tourist or Nashbar Touring, stay under roof instead of camp when I do tour, buy a pile of Jeep parts, and still have some money left over to do something nice with my family.

Mostly now I'm just thinking about all the options, but I promised myself I would have another bike before next winter when the studs go on my do it all bike. I need that set up, but I also spent too many sunny 45 degrees days clattering all around.

Anyway, I may not be checking in for a few days, I'm actually going on my first little tour tomorrow. 3 days on the GAP.