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Old 06-28-12 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by blargman
In my short experience though, I have found few manufacturer's that list effective top tube.
Try "virtual top tube" or "horizontal top tube," then. These are still more widely used than stack and reach.

Actual top tube and actual seat tube are virtually useless unless you like to ride bikes that are too large for you.
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