C4L yet again demonstrates that his homegrown "knowledge" is more correct to him than industry standard terminology.

Regarding his rant on page 2 about Cervelo's definition of stack and reach-- those are industry terms. They are right, you are wrong C4L. See here for one example-- many others exist (it's a standard term, after all ): http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...tically_216035

There's a glaringly obvious problem with Campag4Life's insistence on using the STA and saddle as a component of reach: you *DON'T* adjust the saddle or seatpost setback for reach! Duh. You set seatpost setback and saddle position based on your knee position, and I'm not even getting into a KOPS debate here, I will just say that a given person's knee positioning is more critical and more inflexible than their reach.

Why? You can sit more or less upright based on reach. In fact this is normal, riding a time trial bike vs road bike vs XC race MTB vs downhill MTB vs beach cruiser.