thanks for the replys everyone! still undecided but everyones got me thinking about lightening the load a bit. pretty sure no one likes pushing around the extra pounds, so i'm looking at other rim options. the reason i picked the phil's is because i used to have a set a while back and also used them back in the early 80's when i raced bmx so i know the build is good. i pick the v's cause i wanted to stay at aprox. 30mm for rim height as are the ellipses. currently i have cxp33's on formula hubs which i moved over from my commuter. i thought about h plus son f30's for something different from the norm, but they're even heavier. thats why i'm floating around the ellipse idea. if they are strong enough to take the occasional curb, coblestone trek, and my 160lbs of girth, then thats what i'd be going with.