Yeah, that makes sense about frame weight. I've never even considered it when building a bike. I know a guy who built up a steel framed track bike that came in under 15 pounds and he didn't have to put anything exotic on it at all.

In other news, I've been emailing with Doug Fattic who seems like a great guy, and I'm going to try and get my ducks in order to take one of his upcoming 3 week classes. Woop!