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Old 09-29-12 | 03:18 PM
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DrJim
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From: Mansfield, Texas

Bikes: Soma Stanya Build, Trek build, Miyata 312, Miyata 710, Nashbar Toure MT, Giant hybrid

Originally Posted by DrJim
I do have experience with VO saddles and, while I am a big fan of VO in general and have bought many of their products, I would not recommend buying one of their saddles. I have a Model 3 (similar to a B17) and a sprung Model 8. Since buying these two saddles I have purchased four Brooks B17's. Needless to say I prefer the Brooks.

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...3-touring.html

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...e-model-8.html

The biggest problem I have had with the Model 3 is that the frame broke. The failure occurred at the point where the rail attaches to the rear support. This is a simple butt weld on the Model 3. On a Brooks B17 this joint is a mechanical connection, not a weld. While I was successful in getting the failed weld re-welded I regard the design as deficient. I might add that I am not very large at about 160 lbs.

Neither the Model 3 nor the Model 8 is particularly comfortable. I have ridden the Model 3 many miles and it is not much better now than a new B17 right out of the box. I surmise that the reason for this is the layer of material that is bonded to the underside of the leather. I'm not sure the purpose of this material. Perhaps it is there to help maintain shape. In any case a B17 is, for me, more comfortable.

The VO saddles also have a surface texture that the Brooks B17 does not have. I prefer the smooth slick B17.

I'm not saying that the VO saddles are really bad. I just would not buy one to save a few bucks or for style.

Regarding the Brooks B17 in particular, I find that they are generally comfortable right out of the box and then improve with time and miles. For my first one I used mineral oil to help break in but the other three I have done nothing. I find them to be fine without any treatment. I should say it doesn't rain much here in Texas, especially lately.

I buy my B17's from Amazon.com, $90 with free shipping.

One other aside, the VO Model 3 seems to be the same as the Cardiff Cornwall. At least they are very similar.

http://www.cardiffltd.com/cornwall.html
This is an update on my criticism of the VO Model 3 saddle. The weak (defective) weld joint that I complained about has been fixed in the new saddles. I know this because the re-welded joint on my original saddle broke again. Even though the saddle was supposedly out of warranty, I decided to contact VO in hopes of getting a replacement. They did replace the old saddle under warranty. Here are the comments that I just sent VO regarding their service:

Wow! I'm impressed!!


I just received the replacement Model 3 Touring saddle that you sent because the aft rail weld had broken on my old one.


1. You did a warranty replacement even though your web site says your warranty is for one year on defective parts. My saddle was bought in 2009.


2. You sent the new saddle by priority mail so it got here quick.


3. The new saddle has a new design for the weld joint that combines a mechanical connection with a weld similar to how Brooks does their B17. Your design now looks even more robust than the Brooks.


4. The new saddle came in a nice drawstring bag. This is a little "over the top" perhaps but impressive nonetheless. My only regret is that the bag did not also contain a small bottle of Scotch.


Thank you for your excellent service. I plan to remain a faithful VO customer.
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