You are a reasonable time.

I gave my opinion to Hillbasher after he posted this was a no drop ride. MY opinion was that the riders should be in decent shape. Not discouraging riders from giving it a whirl, but because it's too tough to call a ride a no drop ride if a really newb shows up and can only ride 100 yards at a time. He would be hours behind the others.

I don't mind hanging back for the back of the pack. Gina and I are almost always the last to the shack. A few minutes behind us is cool but if a rider is going to take 3 hours to the shack, that is a bit long.

I think we are talking about being able to make it within reason. Everybody on the Clyde ride was good.

I don't advise against a first timer as there are plenty of good riders that haven't done GMR. I'm thinking more of those that will be an hour behind the slow riders on an 8 mile climb.

Heck, if anything, a "super"slow climber can ride up till the group heads down and turn back along the way.

"SUPER" slow? I'm talking about a rider that is 30 minutes behind Gina, and that's tough to do. Decent riders will have no problem, the riders that do 50 miles every month might want to think about their ability to do this ride.