Originally Posted by
corwin1968
Not that I've found, at least in a modestly priced frameset. The best I can come up with would be to buy a Surly LHT and get a custom fork built for it. That would probably get real close.
I'd bet there's a big difference in weight. I've had two Surly Cross Checks, and they are quite heavy. They're a decent value, since they cost a lot less than other frames, but I can't say they are a duplicate of a Rivendell in any way when comparing weights.