Originally Posted by
chaadster
I'm chapped with you because in
every single post you've made, you've made inaccurate, misleading, unsubstantiated claims and comparisons.
In your mind, you liken the TiGr to a cable lock, but in reality, it shares the same ART certified security level rating with one of the locks that ABUS, using their website configurator tool, recommends for highest risk lockup scenarios, the Bordo X-Plus 6500. The configurator, by the way, does not include your lock in those results. Here's the link, go try it:
http://www.abus.com/eng/Service/Conf...ity/Bike-Locks
It may be an oversight that Futura 64 isn't in the search results, but I don't see anywhere on the ABUS site their own security rating system you refer to either, so I don't know where you're getting the notion your lock is so secure.
I'll go on to point out that, linking through ABUS's site, you can see that same Bordo X Plus 6500 with the same ART rating as the TiGr, also took top honors in the folding lock category by the same people who did the TiGr video, Stiftung Warentest:
http://www.abus.com/eng/Guide/Checke...tung-Warentest
Let me spell out what all of this means: credible sources (i.e. not my opinion, not yours) including the manufacturer, have a top-rated and recommended for high risk lockup scenario lock, the Bordo X Plus 6500, that shares the same rating for level of security, according to what may be the premier 3rd party bicycle lock certification agency, ART, as the TiGr lock. In short, the TiGr is as secure as one of ABUS's top locks.
And so what is your basis for comparing the TiGr security level to a Krypto cable's? Your own ignorance is all. You simply don't understand the video you watched that's informing your opinions. It may be that the Bordo X Plus 6500 succumbed to the same bolt cutters in the video; it may be the Futura 64 succumbed to even smaller bolt cutters; maybe those bolt cutters in the vid are SW's ultimate test. Maybe the point of the video may not be to impugn the TiGr's security, but to point out that among locks of similar security, the TiGr is relatively expensive. The video did open with a bold graphic showing €180. I don't know the answer to those questions, in part because I don't speak German. Do you? Can you answer those questions?
Ah I see the point you are making about the Bordo 6500 and the Tigr having the same Art foundation rating. Sorry for misunderstanding your point before. I see now that they have the same 2 star rating. You are correct that the Bordo 6500 has a 15/15 on the Abus rating system, it seems depending on test, some tests have found faults with the folding locks from Abus. Thanks for pointing this out.
If you are interested in the 15/15 Abus U-lock, the Granit X-Plus, in every review I have read it has not been defeated by bolt cutters (angle grinders, yes). The Granit X-Plus is what I use when I borrow my friends bike in New York, it has a Vds rating, Art foundation score of 3, and a Sold Secure Gold rating
(source).
As for the Stiftung Warentest video, yes, that is primarily what has made me judge the Tigr so harshly.
Here Stiftung Warentest recommends the Abus Sinero ($60) over the Tigr, worth noting is that it is cheaper and lower on the Abus rating (7/15) than my lock I have mentioned previously.
Here is the press release about the Stiftung Warentest test of bicycle locks, out of 37 locks tested only 5 were given a "good" rating and 4 of the 5 were Abus locks, including one of their cheapest U-locks the Abus Sinero. So according to the tests the Abus locks "Especially the three ABUS padlocks Granit X-Plus 54 Granit Plus 51 and 43 Sinero demonstrated resistance to breaking attempts with different tools." I don't believe these locks can be bested by 24" bolt cutters.
My Granit Futura 64 Mini was not included in the test, but it is higher grade than the Sinero which was tested,
here is one review by Road.cc. "The Futura Mini is dinky, but don't think it'll roll over under attack. Ours was barely marked by the big bolt cutters and the persuader -- even with the help of a 2 ton bottle jack -- wasn't able to remove it from its post.". Of course after five minutes of attack the locking mech broke, but it withstood a lot of punishment from bolt cutters.
Here it seems that one of the two distributors in Germany, Manufactum, has decided to stop distributing the TiGr lock because of the test by Stiftung Warentest. They are now contacting customers who have ordered to refund them.
With all that said, after borrowing my friends Granit X-Plus in New York, I think I will get that lock in the future for more high-risk areas. But for now I am happy with my Mini with locking skewers as backup protection.