Ah I didn't look up the official weight of the Mini, I just weighed mine on my digital scale and it was 695g, with both keys it seems to be 720g, they probably list 726g just for potential variances.

Please point out where I say that Abus locks all provide the same amount of security? I merely said that my Granit 64 is much more secure than the Tigr, but even the lower end Abus u-locks are very good.

Here are the results for Abus on the Stichting ART foundation website, you can sort by Abus to see their ratings:
https://www.stichtingart.nl/sloten_resultaat.asp

If you are comparing against the 6400 Bordo (the flat folding lock) then of course it will be a lower security rating, it is not comparable to the Abus Granit Futura 64 U-lock. I can't seem to find out anywhere if the Tigr lock has been Sold Secure certified yet so can't compare there, but Abus locks range from Sold Secure Silver to Sold Secure Gold, in fact the bigger/newer version of the Bordo (6500) got a Gold rating, and that is just a flat folding lock!

I don't see your lock anywhere listed there, so where do you get off saying it's more secure, or even that the 6400 Bordo is not comparable to the Futura 64?

You're just a loose cannon as far as I can tell, who likes to spout off a lot of unsubstantiated, and most importantly, OFF TOPIC opinions. You haven't made, and I suspect cannot make, a useful suggestion to meet the OPs request, can you? You make up weights, you make up security levels...what's next?

Put up or shut up, is my closing thought to you.

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Originally Posted by chaadster

I don't see your lock anywhere listed there, so where do you get off saying it's more secure, or even that the 6400 Bordo is not comparable to the Futura 64?

You're just a loose cannon as far as I can tell, who likes to spout off a lot of unsubstantiated, and most importantly, OFF TOPIC opinions. You haven't made, and I suspect cannot make, a useful suggestion to meet the OPs request, can you? You make up weights, you make up security levels...what's next?

Put up or shut up, is my closing thought to you.

If you read my first post, I did suggest to the OP what I thought would be the best solution for him: If he wants lightweight and *secure*, the OP should get some good quality locking skewers (OnGuard or Pinhead) for his wheels and a top-of-the-line U-lock (Abus, OnGuard, Kryptonite). Additionally he can get a flex cable like the Kryptonite 4' cable and string that through his wheels as well. The flex cable would not resist bolt cutters (like the Tigr) but it would provide an additional layer of security that might deter a thief. Since weight is a factor I suggested the lock I use, the Abus Futura Mini.

You're correct that the Abus Granit Futura 64 Mini has not yet been rated by Stichting Art. According to mechanics at my LBS it is marketed as the same security level as the Kryptonite Series 4 Evo Mini (3 stars on Stichting Art). The Futura Mini is rated 11/15 on Abus' own rating system. They definitely make more secure locks like the Granit X. The main advantage is the light weight and that the Futura 64 Mini does not have a bent foot design like the Kryptonite, I have both locks so I definitely say the Abus has a much better locking mech. Here is a review of the Abus Futura Mini: https://road.cc/content/review/34832-...ra-mini-u-lock

The Abus 401/130HB 140 U-Mini ($60, lower on the Abus hierarchy than the Futura Mini) is rated by Abus as 10/15 and that one has a Sold Secure Gold rating, to give you the idea of the security of their U-locks.

I mostly linked the Stichting Art rating results because you can see even mid-range quality U-locks such as the Kryptonite Series 4 ($70) have a better rating than the Tigr lock.

I'm not sure why my opinions on the low security of the Tigr lock are so offensive to you? I mean to the point where you tell another user to shut up? And also you have to resort to insulting me and disparaging my opinions? Since you still think I am making up the weight of the Abus Futura Mini, here is a pic.

I'm chapped with you because in every single post you've made, you've made inaccurate, misleading, unsubstantiated claims and comparisons.

In your mind, you liken the TiGr to a cable lock, but in reality, it shares the same ART certified security level rating with one of the locks that ABUS, using their website configurator tool, recommends for highest risk lockup scenarios, the Bordo X-Plus 6500. The configurator, by the way, does not include your lock in those results. Here's the link, go try it: https://www.abus.com/eng/Service/Conf...ity/Bike-Locks

It may be an oversight that Futura 64 isn't in the search results, but I don't see anywhere on the ABUS site their own security rating system you refer to either, so I don't know where you're getting the notion your lock is so secure.

I'll go on to point out that, linking through ABUS's site, you can see that same Bordo X Plus 6500 with the same ART rating as the TiGr, also took top honors in the folding lock category by the same people who did the TiGr video, Stiftung Warentest: https://www.abus.com/eng/Guide/Checke...tung-Warentest

Let me spell out what all of this means: credible sources (i.e. not my opinion, not yours) including the manufacturer, have a top-rated and recommended for high risk lockup scenario lock, the Bordo X Plus 6500, that shares the same rating for level of security, according to what may be the premier 3rd party bicycle lock certification agency, ART, as the TiGr lock. In short, the TiGr is as secure as one of ABUS's top locks.

And so what is your basis for comparing the TiGr security level to a Krypto cable's? Your own ignorance is all. You simply don't understand the video you watched that's informing your opinions. It may be that the Bordo X Plus 6500 succumbed to the same bolt cutters in the video; it may be the Futura 64 succumbed to even smaller bolt cutters; maybe those bolt cutters in the vid are SW's ultimate test. Maybe the point of the video may not be to impugn the TiGr's security, but to point out that among locks of similar security, the TiGr is relatively expensive. The video did open with a bold graphic showing €180. I don't know the answer to those questions, in part because I don't speak German. Do you? Can you answer those questions?

Ah I see the point you are making about the Bordo 6500 and the Tigr having the same Art foundation rating. Sorry for misunderstanding your point before. I see now that they have the same 2 star rating. You are correct that the Bordo 6500 has a 15/15 on the Abus rating system, it seems depending on test, some tests have found faults with the folding locks from Abus. Thanks for pointing this out.

If you are interested in the 15/15 Abus U-lock, the Granit X-Plus, in every review I have read it has not been defeated by bolt cutters (angle grinders, yes). The Granit X-Plus is what I use when I borrow my friends bike in New York, it has a Vds rating, Art foundation score of 3, and a Sold Secure Gold rating (source).

As for the Stiftung Warentest video, yes, that is primarily what has made me judge the Tigr so harshly.

Here Stiftung Warentest recommends the Abus Sinero ($60) over the Tigr, worth noting is that it is cheaper and lower on the Abus rating (7/15) than my lock I have mentioned previously.

Here is the press release about the Stiftung Warentest test of bicycle locks, out of 37 locks tested only 5 were given a "good" rating and 4 of the 5 were Abus locks, including one of their cheapest U-locks the Abus Sinero. So according to the tests the Abus locks "Especially the three ABUS padlocks Granit X-Plus 54 Granit Plus 51 and 43 Sinero demonstrated resistance to breaking attempts with different tools." I don't believe these locks can be bested by 24" bolt cutters.

My Granit Futura 64 Mini was not included in the test, but it is higher grade than the Sinero which was tested, here is one review by Road.cc. "The Futura Mini is dinky, but don't think it'll roll over under attack. Ours was barely marked by the big bolt cutters and the persuader -- even with the help of a 2 ton bottle jack -- wasn't able to remove it from its post.". Of course after five minutes of attack the locking mech broke, but it withstood a lot of punishment from bolt cutters.

Here it seems that one of the two distributors in Germany, Manufactum, has decided to stop distributing the TiGr lock because of the test by Stiftung Warentest. They are now contacting customers who have ordered to refund them.

With all that said, after borrowing my friends Granit X-Plus in New York, I think I will get that lock in the future for more high-risk areas. But for now I am happy with my Mini with locking skewers as backup protection.

I'd also recommend a pair of anti-theft skewers. They're inexpensive, still easy to remove, and you won't have to mess with carrying a separate cable or second lock. They've kept my ksyrium elite's safe in many situations.

For the frame, my kryptonite new york mini U does it's job well, but of course it's impractical for touring.

Every lock can be defeated. If you're worried about someone coming at your bike with those big-assed bolt cutters in the vid, then fine, don't get the skinny TiGr. Maybe even the big TiGr wouldn't assuage your fears.

And that's precisely the point; the OP said explicitly he wanted the lightest lock and didn't need protection from big bolt cutters, so why on Earth you've been carrying on with all this I just cannot understand.

I have two TiGrs and they have changed my riding life with their easy, unobtrusive mounting and lockup flexibility. It's always there when I need it, even when I want to ride light. I've been on several rides where, at the post ride beer stop, I'm the only guy who even has a lock, and guys are asking if I can secure their bike, too. That says a lot to me about other locks, that riders don't even have 'em. I used to struggle to find a way to carry my u-locks, too...for decades...and it never got any better; they're just heavy and awkward....so I get that game, and I'm delighted not to have to worry about it anymore, and that's why I don't mind the TiGr price premium, because it gave me something no other lock could.

The real game is in determining how much security you need while knowing for certain you can never have enough. Like all games, we pay our money and take our chances. Facing that reality, I opted for TiGr, but I get that if lightness, portability, flexibility and ease of use aren't at the top of your list of requirements, then you're gonna wind up gambling on some other lock.