Originally Posted by surgeonstone

Well enough anecdotes do make data and I repeat, the carbon fiber failures keep returning to the bike shop whilst memory of such experiences with steel is nil.
I have had 40 years of experience of riding steel with not a single failure and yet on my first cf bike the bolts attaching the bottle cage to the down tube has wrenched free of the carbon twice, in 4 years of use. That speaks volumes to me.