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Old 11-01-13 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
I disagree. 25 in a group feels like 20 or less solo. 20 mph solo requires around 180 watts, or 2.65 w/kg. I can climb at 4.6 w/kg for 20 minutes, and am a good bit slower than most of the A ride. I think 2.65 w/kg would be at the back of the B ride. Basically, if you have to work hard to ride 25 mph in a group, you will get dropped way off the back on the hills.
You must be riding with a pretty friggin fast A group. 4.6 w/kg puts you solidly in Cat 1 on the E wang chart, and would imply that the guys in the group climbing a good bit faster would be in the domestic pro range.
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