Many years ago driving with a friend in his 4WD jeep on a "black ice" day, I commented that he should slow down and keep his eyes open because there was a decent amount of ice forming. His "don't worry, I have 4 studded tires on this" said just about 2 minute before the road curved and we didn't, ending up tilted about 45° in a ditch. It was a cold walk in the rain.
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