sorry about that miscommunication, yes I meant Gore's Phantom. I even tried on an XL and there seems to be a weird design cut to the jacket with my shoulders because even in the store with the larger version it didn't feel comfortable as in very uncomfortable. the design seems almost like it would only feel ok if I was bent over on a bike but not standing around at a water stop. However on today's ride I noticed a few riders sporting them so some must like them