Originally Posted by
Al1943
I once bought a bike for my son that had a rear triangle so tight that you had to deflate the rear 700 x 23c tire in order to get it past the chainstays......
I suspect that was on a bike with horizontal dropouts, and it was a fairly common on super tight bikes BITD. I credit this issue with contributing to the current dominance of verticals which usually have the slot aligned (very slightly back pointing) to solve that problem.