Originally Posted by
ThermionicScott
...I'd stand by a second pass answer of "somewhere between the top tube midpoint and in front of the saddle, where you are likely to stand over the frame" -- if that isn't enough to go by after adding the traditional inch or two, it's a good sign that you should be trying out bikes in person and insisting on what makes you most comfortable before handing over your money.
You're right, sir. I agree completely.