[MENTION=327411]robbyville[/MENTION] as I suggested above, if you are looking into this shoe, I'd go with a half size bigger and go with an insole from REI. Those insoles raise your foot a bit which is why I'd go with a half size bigger. I tried to use them but my toe was then too close to the end. Using this insole will over ride the tub of the shoe and you shouldn't have any issues with the arch. The huge advantage to the Bonts is in the wider toe box which has been mentioned time and again to be extremely nice to have the extra toe space. Yiu can also look into buying used pairs since yiu can remind and at half the cost. Check out pacing and slowtwitch from time to time. They are often sold on there.