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Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
[MENTION=345638]Daniel4[/MENTION], just forget about all of this. Nothing will work. Learn to expect this behavior, and especially don't expect the second group to learn from the first.