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Old 03-23-15 | 08:41 PM
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djb
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
You read half my post and contrived a diatribe based on it. Yes, heavier most definitely means more traction. Friction force is directly proportional to force normal to the surface through the friction coefficient.

BUT while heavier people have more traction, they also need proportionally more because they have proportionally more momentum that needs to change direction. So it's a wash in the first order analysis.
brian, certainly wasnt meant to be a diatribe. Its just that I disagree with your statements about a heavier having more traction and a lighter person will be more skittish in a corner. With the same tires as a guy who weighs 50lbs more than me, I can have lower pressures and have the same traction as he if I put it into the corner faster and harder.
Yes, of course downforce in racing puts more weight on wheels, but in bikes, I dont see how being heavier will be faster around corners when tire pressures can come into play and especiallywhen you bring in later braking and whatnot with a lighter rider.

basically I was responding to you saying that a heavier rider can corner faster.

I dont have the science background or any of the vocabulary to discuss this, but I do have a fair amount of two wheeled experience going around corners fast, some motorcycle racing on track, and bicycles, and just dont see that being heavier is faster around corners--as you did say, about it being a wash with having to change direction of momentum--that makes sense and like I said, I see it as going to the lighter rider because of the later braking and dirctional change quickness will add up to more than more traction due to heavier weight.
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