I figured i'd post it as I was noting on another thread that my commute bike does not conform to the conventional wisdom. but for a city commute with stairs, trains, turnstiles and crowds to navigate + traffic where its good to be going at least 20mph: add in ironman toughness (I have been assaulted while riding through west oakland.. bike went flying and in seconds I was up and gone.. bike never missed a beat!) and rock hard paint (even if it is a bit dinged and chipped at this point). my best commute bike so far.