Originally Posted by Fiery

Just as wrong as you are, looking at where the tops are, not the drops or the hoods. It is perfectly obvious on the Moser-Chavanel comparison photos for example, that if Chavanel's hands were in the drops, and if his head and back were as low as Moser's, their shoulder and elbow angles would be pretty much exactly the same. Of course, one does not see that when one is only trying to interpret anything superficially different form what they are used to as "crap everyone does today". Sort of like when you say the OPs stem is already long, and then post a picture of Fignon with his 130 mm stem without noticing the irony.