Originally Posted by
armstrong101
I just noticed the cable guides are above the BB, which
AFAIK, are generally pre-1980s. The stickers are 1990s though. So is this counterfeit?
It doesn't mean it's counterfeit, it's just not likely to be a Cinelli based on my eye but mainly on my more-esteemable colleagues here.
Possibilities:
1. It's a rather decent frame from a fine maker that is much smaller than Cinelli, and a previous owner decided he thinks it is really a Cinelli, and has tried to correct it according to what he believes. I think this scenario is a mistake, not a counterfeit.
2. It's also possible a similarly clueless person intentionally misrepresented a flipper frame with good workmanship as a Cinelli and in that case it is a counterfeit. Crook failed to research to signs of a real Cinelli to determine if his ruse is plausibly successful.
3. Given that the cable guides above the BB are pre-1977 or whatever was said, most of those Campagnolo parts are much more recent offerrings. Showing us pictures of the parts is entertaining but irrelevant to frame identification or quality assessment.
4. It's much more useful to show the side elevation (thank you!), close clear shots of all the lugs, dropouts, bridges, braze-ons and other joinings, close clear shots of any stampings or other insignia planted in the frame metal. Also close clear shots of any remaining decals, like on your downtube and head tube.