Originally Posted by
CliffordK
So you were "adjusting" a loose kickstand, and complaining that it had been overtightened.
Almost all kickstands bolted onto round tubes behind the bottom bracket will crush the tubes. Or, they'll be loose.
It is hard to call it a user error. Manufacturing defect? If a kickstand is intended, they can weld on a 1/2 ounce bolt plate. Or, perhaps kickstands should be designed to be contoured to the tubes, so less crushing, and less twisting.
Actually, the kickstand had been cut too short and clamped way to the crank side, I was trying to salvage some sort of usability out of it by moving it to the left until I could replace it with something more usable. I don't disagree with your assessments of kickstands in general. That said, if one does crush the tubes and the frame subsequently breaks at that weak point, IMO that is not on the manufacturer to replace or fix. It may be something for them to consider in future models or updates, but that is still user error to weaken the frame, and in my mind not manufacturing defect.