Originally Posted by
BigAura
For 150 years bicycles have been considered a human powered vehicle. And yes people have added motors to them and it's called a motorbike or motorcycle. I have no problem with that. But your attempt to DE-HUMANZIE the bicycle with motors & batteries does offend me. Your insistence that the world conform to your arbitrary redefinition, that predates your existence by an entire lifetime, is egocentric at best and bordering on narcissism.
BS: Here's what I said:
Here's also what you said:
Originally Posted by
BigAura
I certainly hope that Bicycle Touring remains a human-power endeavor and doesn't conflate to include motor-powered and/or motor-assisted bikes.
IMO: If you don't have a doctors note: HTFU
Originally Posted by
BigAura
What you eBike supporters are trying to do is DE-HUMANIZE the bicycle and bicycle touring when you add your motors!
As if someone else's choice of bicycle affects you in any way at all, and felt the need to come down hard on them. Did someone on an ebike steal a KOM from you? It is the only rational thing I can think of that would instill such hatred towards something that should affect you in absolutely no way.
I don't have one. They don't interest in me in the least, but then again advances that I am sure many here ride like CF frames, electric shifting, and aero wheels don't interest me either. At the end of the day, I don't go around in life being a giant Richard with what others choose to use, unless I am in direct competition with them and they are breaking established rules.
AFAIK, there are no established rules or competition in my touring, hence back to live and let live.
I'm not forcing anyone to adhere to MY standard. I'm calling you out for a ridiculously shortsighted view on what others should call the activities they do, because of a definition you hold.
Originally Posted by
alan s
Twenty seven you're in heaven.
Anyway, it's the gear range, not the number that really matters. Also, I've never seen a bike that moves, no matter how many gears it has, without pedaling (except with the help of gravity or wind, etc.). E-Bikes? Turn the throttle and go. Or however it is you make it go. Really don't ever want to find out. Push a button? Never mind, really don't want to know.
Wait for it...... YOU PEDAL.
My touring bike has 15 gears, and my other road bikes have 10 and 12. Why do you need so many gears? HTFU, or something like that (or do what you want, and I won't really care, and I'll still talk to you about touring even if you're bikepacking on a race bike or riding a unicycle or on a Huffy beach cruiser, because I am not a pretentious elitist that has to be better than someone)
As with most things in life, I don't get the hatred towards people going about their lives differently than oneself, because they are doing something you wouldn't, when it affects you in no way. Someone just explain to me how someone else touring on an ebike affects your life in ANY WAY. Just one example, no matter how ridiculous, that doesn't have to do with semantics.
Live and let live. Pretentious attitudes ruin this sport far more for me than ebikes.