The BS is the inability to realize many different forms of motorized bikes exist, including ones where the sole throttle control is the rider pedaling the bike as fast as they can if they want to go faster, which as specified many times are the ones us supposed ebike lovers are talking about (and presumably the ones the OP was referring to, as it was in the EU). I don't think there is any disagreement on this thread that ones in which the sole source of power applied is by a motor controlled with a throttle with your feet stationary moves past an ebike, despite you wanting to present them as the only things out there and the things we are supporting.

What about about ones with gas-powered motors. Are they still ebikes? (note, sarcasm, no need to start an argument about motor v engine!)


In any case, a quick perusing of that list indicates that ~20MPH is the cut off for the motor to assist. Considering I did that for a good portion of my MUP ride tonite, on a 38 year old gaspipe Schwinn 10-speed while being passed by others, I think we can toss out the bit where they are any more unsafe to have on MUPs than pedal-only bikes.