Here's a thought for/@ BigAura.. High powered E-Bikes seem to be problematic for you, as they they are for me too... BUT, Is it acceptable for 350 Watt or less assist with no throttle, and must be pedalled to go anywhere, and the assist cuts out at 20 MPH, to be considered worthy enough to be used where bicycles CAN be used? If you think about this carefully, I suspect/hope you realize, that there IS an in-between there somewhere... And not that E-Assist is a total fail, but overpowered E-Assist is a fail because it is basically a moped masquerading as a bicycle... Oh' and if your definition is zero assistance, for any reason. Case closed...