Originally Posted by
Inpd
Where are you based in Europe?
If its in the UK or you have access to that market, there are lots of nice in-house brand bikes which are a good start. Ribble, Merlins etc. all have decent frame sets (though not specific for heavy touring) and Ribble at least lets you customize the build.
Cheers Inpd im in Ireland .the spa frame is nice well thought out not certain on the weight but it's a tourer so no big deal there can't be any heavier than the Thorn sherpa i once had tha was a great bike but heavy.
the Spa is well within my budget but doesn't leave me with much change to build it up.
would u believe they still haven't emailed me back since last friday

anyway i'll play it by ear no hurry on me.