The bike fits me perfectly, 54cm or so, short top tube. I am curious what the opinions would be. I like the bike but when it's a full 105 it seems to give me the permission and option to build a decent Expert. The only thing I dont like on the 712 is that top tube cable routing with it's common cracking. This one has a very small crack off that rearward hole. Otherwise, sharp bike and has a great feel to the ride.