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Old 02-23-17 | 11:56 AM
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Tanstaafl
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Originally Posted by spectastic
thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I stopped, and looked both ways before proceeding, like I always do. If there's cross traffic at all, I always let them go first. even if it's at a stop sign, and the car is waiting for me, I would beckon them to go, because they were there first, and that's the right thing to do.

the lights downtown are synchronized, on a timer (I'm 90% positive) such that they turn red/green as you go in certain directions, like a wave (as messengers would put it). so no sensor.

thanks for the suggestion on the rolling stop. It makes perfect sense, and could serve as a potential defense.

Friend of mine dealt with this court before. They don't dismiss the tickets, or so he was told, by the prosecutor.

Here's the breakdown. I will show up to contest the $250 ticket. I may get an offer to have the ticket reduced by the prosecutor. If I pay the fine, the ticket is dismissed. If I contest, it's a judge or a jury, where guilty would mean conviction and driving record.

Here's my defense so far:

- I came to a rolling stop, looked both ways, and proceeded through the intersection safely. I'm a safe rider who yields pedistrians and cars, putting safety first
- it's completely unreasonable to compare a bicycle (0.5 hp) to a car (200 hp), even if that's what the law dictates. the law does not always correlate with right/wrong
- in many cases, it's safer for the cyclist to run the light, in order to put distance on the cars, whose drivers may be distracted on the phone (funny how people like this get to keep their license, while guys like me get punished). also, because of my slower acceleration, I reduce congestion by getting a head start on the cars, and allowing them more road to pass me later on, whereas if I were to go with the light, I'm holding up traffic and getting honked at by impatient c*nts behind me.
- places like Idaho, colorado, and potentially more in the future, are introducing rolling stop for bicycles, because it makes sense. (counter argument would be that it keeps getting vetoed, but my counter to that would be that law makers are idealists who don't ride bicycles to work)
- the courthouse has no interest in my safety, even though it says it does. rather, it's mostly interested in taking my money and showing their higher-ups how busy they are (they made my friend take a defensive driving class, which was a worthless POS and waste of time)


this argument would be presented to a jury, where hopefully the people I select will have some spine. what do you think?
First, was it a rolling stop or a stop? There is a difference and you claim you did both. If you are going to court, get your story straight. You give lots of reasons why your actions were the best thing to do. While they make good discussion topics, I doubt they will get you much traction in the courtroom.

I am constantly amazed at the many bike riders who complain they are not afforded the respect they deserve from cars while riding on the roads, saying bikes have as much right to be out there as cars. And I agree, bikes have every right to be on the roads. I then see these same bicycle riders showing no regards for the traffic laws everyone is supposed to follow, with stop signs and red lights being the favorite. I see 30 and 40 bike go through a 4 way stop while cars are waiting their 'turn'. And then the bike riders can't imagine why car drivers get angry.

Traffic laws are a form of etiquette. When everyone follows it, we all get along. When some folks feel they don't have to follow it, that's when you get accidents, road rage, etc.

You broke the law, you got caught. Take your medicine.

One note about fighting tickets. I have not had to go to court in quite a while, but I understand there are cases where those who fight and lose get court costs added to the fine. You may wish to verify this before fighting.

Jeff

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