Originally Posted by
Slaninar
A bike with welded handlebars will lean without problems. I've tried it!

It can not keep the leaned angle, but fall, since the bars can't be pointed into the turn, but it does lean without any countersteering - no problems. Keeping it from leaning is the problem.

This is sort of what I mean when I say you can't lean a bike without countersteering (or just steering). Yes, you could get it to start tipping over, but you need to be able to steer to hold the lean angle. It seems to be a common misperception that, once you get the bike leaned, it'll be in static balance from the force vectors (gravity, friction, centrifugal force), but no - it'll just fall over. You supply the balance in a turn, to keep the bike balanced against all the various forces acting on it. I think we're just agreeing, pretty much.