Originally Posted by
FBinNY
All true, and yet misses the key point that it is impossible to initiate a turn without counter steering.
I emphatically disagree with that key point
The debate here isn't about what counter steering is, it's about whether it's something different or a normal part of steering a bicycle to change direction. You can ride a bike all day without counter steering, if you're willing to go wherever the bike takes you, but you have to counter steer to be in charge.
The misconceptions I see appear to hinge on a misunderstanding of what counter-steering is. For example, one person cited
any steering, and said that it is impossible to ride a bike without steering, as if that meant you couldn't do so without counter-steering.
You seem to make that connection even here. You do
not have to counter-steer to ride a bike in a mostly straight line. You do have to
steer to move in a mostly straight line. You are confusing the two control inputs.