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MKM cycles based in Harrogate England built a short wheel base frame in the 1970's which was lugless and even had no supporng strutts behind its b.b . The design of this frame was very similar to the Sun Manx tt.

If you search for MKM cycles Harrogate history you will find out more about these classic British bikes and the men behind there building.