Originally Posted by
mtb_addict
I agree that kickstand can damage the chain and seat stay. It's also logical. And Surly says many their customers' have indeed crushed their chain and seat. So, it's logical to avoid kick stand. Find something to lean the bike against. Or just lay the bike on the side. I have kickstand on all my cheap bikes...but I wouldn't put a kickstand on an expenisve touring bike.
Or, you know, learn to use tools and not just go with the "torque the F out of it" strategy? I'm curious why you think you can safely put them on your cheap bikes, but not nice ones though. I generally don't do things to my cheap bikes that I know will ruin them just because they are cheap.
I really prefer my bike be upright when loading and unloading things from bags. There have been many times there wasn't something convenient to lean a bike against, and many environments where lying a bike down is not preferred.