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Old 09-10-17, 10:49 AM   #1
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Touring Kickstand that Doesn't Mount on Frame

I have been vigorously researching what kickstand to use that:

1. Doesn't mount on the frame / cause damage.
2. Can handle holding the bike up with loaded weight (bike is 25lbs itself, total load might be 40-50 lbs).
3. Is lightweight.
4. Preferably a kick style that doesn't have to be removed / reattached every time you want to use it.

My rear chain stay does not have the additional 5mm holes for bolting a kickstand directly in, but does have many holes for panniers / fenders etc. Pics below.

My research has lead me to having to compromise by removal / click on every time I want to use it, but would prefer a kick style that mounted on the rear wheel skewer.

What are the pros / cons when it comes down to choosing between the "click stand" brand, and the "upstand" brand:
https://upstandingbicycle.com/shop/the-upstand/
vs:
Click-Stand Home Page

Also, a pedal kickstand seems interesting and maybe better to have the weight loaded on center of the bike:
https://www.topeak.com/global/en/pro...ashstand--slim

My bike: https://www.rei.com/product/109339/c...es-adv-31-bike

My bike w/ leftover rubber residue from using a rear mounted kickstand. Luckily alcohol and cotton wipes got it off after an hour of elbow grease:


My bike's rear chain stay / disc brake geometry and mounting holes:





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Old 09-10-17, 12:41 PM   #2
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[edit] Given; It's an REI bike take it back and get another one that you can fit a kickstand onto.. that is the simplest way.


Click Stand Click-Stand Home Page drop your 4th priority.

I think the upstand is just for bare bikes, so not very touring appropriate..

Click Stand, made to measure, supports the bike higher up.. and has very many touring bike users, already..







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I can't provide any answers to your questions but I did want to highlight one thing. A kickstand would be nice. It is really inelegant to just drop your bike on the ground when there isn't something to lean against. But I've never seen a kickstand as viable. I think that with all the kickstands you highlight, when using a loaded touring bike, you also need to lock down the front brake. Usually there is a strap that pulls the brake lever in. If I have to get out a kickstand, get out a strap and basically setup the bike then it is too much hassle. Maybe not for you but I wanted you to be aware of what these kickstands entail.
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I used to have a Surly LHT

Surly says that a kickstand is a no-no as it damages the frame:
Kickstands On Long Haul Truckers | Spews | The Information Hole | Surly Bikes


here is what many people use:

http://www.click-stand.com/
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Looks more a 'Gravel grinder' market niche, being targeted, than a Touring, racks and panniers, bike..


But Notably, Surly is just one brand QBP uses, Salsa, Another , has different features..





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Old 09-10-17, 04:30 PM   #6
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Minoura HPS-9

Wellgo makes several like this.

Pletscher

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I have a soma saga which comes with a kick stand plate. I have a two legged kickstand which works quite well. On my last tour, I decided to remove it in order to pare down the weight. I have to say that I did not miss the kickstand as much as I thought I would. For future tours I will probably leave it off even though it is convenient.
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Interested, because I am having the same problem on the same bike. Normally I like the Greenfield rear mount, had that on two touring bikes with no issues, but the discs are screwing me on this one.

That Hebie above looks promising though.
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Hebie and Pletscher build many models of kickstand that attach at various points in different ways.
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I agree that kickstand can damage the chain and seat stay. It's also logical. And Surly says many their customers' have indeed crushed their chain and seat. So, it's logical to avoid kick stand. Find something to lean the bike against. Or just lay the bike on the side. I have kickstand on all my cheap bikes...but I wouldn't put a kickstand on an expenisve touring bike.

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We have had a post about filling the part of the chainstay tubing with epoxy putty, from the BB shell end,
to make the tube resistant to crushing, from over zealous tightening..
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I agree that kickstand can damage the chain and seat stay. It's also logical. And Surly says many their customers' have indeed crushed their chain and seat. So, it's logical to avoid kick stand. Find something to lean the bike against. Or just lay the bike on the side. I have kickstand on all my cheap bikes...but I wouldn't put a kickstand on an expenisve touring bike.
Or, you know, learn to use tools and not just go with the "torque the F out of it" strategy? I'm curious why you think you can safely put them on your cheap bikes, but not nice ones though. I generally don't do things to my cheap bikes that I know will ruin them just because they are cheap.

I really prefer my bike be upright when loading and unloading things from bags. There have been many times there wasn't something convenient to lean a bike against, and many environments where lying a bike down is not preferred.
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I was considering a kickstand at one time for my hybrid but decided against it for various reasons.....The Topeak Flashstand Slim looks sort of cool though, haven't seen that one before. I may give it a try, thanks for posting that one
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Try this velcro around downtube/front wheel. Lean against tree/pole/building. Heavy bike, rear wheel stand/ lightweight? Seems like asking for trouble.
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I have kickstands on my steel framed bikes. Mostly use the rear mount Greenfield ones, but one bike has a stand behind the bottom bracket. But my Titanium bike frame I am hesitant to risk damaging it so I do not have a kickstand on that frame, I use something similar to the click stand.

Kickstand, you stop, get off the bike and deploy the stand. Takes a few seconds. Sometimes I wrap some velcro or use an elastic on a brake handle to make sure the bike will not roll off the stand, that takes a few more seconds.

But the clickstand type stand, you have to lock a front wheel brake. In my case I am pulling the stand out of the handlebar bag and putting it together, then carefully putting it on solid ground and on the frame. While it might only take 15 more seconds than a kickstand would take, it still bugs me that it takes that much more time.

I often find that I do not stop and get off the bike that lacks the kickstand to take photos as much as I would with a bike with a kickstand.

That said, some clickstand owners love them.

My point is that you should think about the convenience of whatever you get. If I did not have a kickstand on the bike, I might not have stopped to take this photo. But I am kind of glad I did stop to take the photo.
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I often find that I do not stop and get off the bike that lacks the kickstand to take photos as much as I would with a bike with a kickstand.

That said, some clickstand owners love them.
One of my buddies in Iceland had a Clickstand. He got off as much as the other two of us, he just held his bike up more while doing so

The thing looked nice, but I don't buy it being any more stable than a regular kickstand, and convenience was definitely not better than my rear mounted Greenfield. In that windy environment, my bike still got laid down at the end of the day, it was just much nicer for accessing bags mounted to the bike.
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I mentioned above that I use something similar to the clickstand. I cut a tent pole down in size, put a rubber tip on each end so that the upper end would not scratch the frame. The upper rubber tip, I cut that down a bit to a triangular shape to fit in between the tubes better. As I noted above I also have to use an elastic or piece of velcro to lock the front brake so it does not roll.

When I made it , I used enough tent pole segments so that it folds up short enough to fit vertically in my handlebar bag. After I took the photo, I glued a short piece of two sided velcro on it so that I do not need to use rubber bands anymore to keep it in the folded up mode.

It functions well, but I find that I am rarely using it because I am either not bothering to get off the bike or I am searching for something to lean the bike against.

Stability, it might be better because the pole is set further out from the wheel. But it is easier to trip over that way.
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If I did not have a kickstand on the bike, I might not have stopped to take this photo. But I am kind of glad I did stop to take the photo.
Really? I would have just leaned my bike on the sign post.

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Oh dear. How terrible. THAT BIKE GOT A BLACK SMUDGE ON IT!!!!!!

Put the stand back on just like you had it, then take it to a welding shop and have them braze or silver solder the screws in place so you'll leave it alone.

Or else, take a really high quality picture of your bike, have it printed out at exactly life size, professionally matted and framed, and hang it up in your garage so you can admire it, while returning the bike to the store where you can pretend it will remain pristine until Armageddon.
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