Complete result today .... normally the Padrone is £49.99, the cheapest I found it on the internet was £35 delivered, I was in Halfords as went to look at the Velo to see how large the writing was and mentioned to the staff I was comparing it to the Padrone .... he stuck it into his phone and it came up at £26.99 at a LBS just down the road .... happy days

Also ordered a pair of these as I'm sure they'll come in handy

https://www.amazon.co.uk/voltX-CONST...23XYZGKNS94CK5

Cheers for everyone's help and suggestions