First, a shout out to [MENTION=360474]Prowler[/MENTION]!

I contemplated not responding to this lest it become an off-topic mono-thematic dialog rather than a polylogue. But then I decided to reply anyway. It is on-topic, after all.

I wrote my first reply as a hint that generalizations are often based on or merely state assumptions that aren't true. The statement that all drop bars are bad except for athletes is one such example. Were there only a few of us who disagree with that statement then one could say, okay, there may be a few exceptions to the rule. But in this case there are lots of us, and the strongest legitimate version of that statement should be "For some who aren't athletes drop bars may be bad."

This follow-up reply is in the same vein but also on-topic. Nose-to-the-wheel would seem to be an assumption, a generalization about how all drop bars are set up and how riders are positioned when using them. FWIW, on some of my bikes the bar is at the same height as the saddle. On the bikes with shorter TT + stem reach combination the bar is noticeably lower, though I didn't make note of that when setting them up. I ride about 90% of the time with my hands on the hoods or the bends just behind the hoods. My back is probably inclined at about 45deg; my arms with straight or nearly-straight elbows are about 45deg also, forming the "French fit" which I find comfortable. On the shorter-reach bikes with lower bars my arms are more vertical and I feel like my body is a bit more over the front wheel. But that position is still quite comfy. I am not comfortable riding the drops themselves and I do it only when riding into a stiff wind. I can get my body almost as low by holding the hoods and bending my elbows. (With an upright bar I can do that only by either sticking my elbows out sideways or turning my wrists outward at an odd angle.) The discomfort of having my abdomen scrunched up when I'm on the drops negates much of the improvement in wind drag, and that's the main reason I don't ride that way very much.

But as for having my nose-to-the-wheel, figuratively of course, no, that is an invalid assumption. Prowler doesn't have his bikes that way either.