agreed, and I need to look at it again. However some do take matters into their own hands, the stealth carbon saddle that I just received is via a swap/demo with another forum member who will be receiving my fabric saddle to try. I have about 5 saddles including my Infinity (which I’m not quite ready to give up yet), that people within my riding group will often take for a week or two to try and sometimes either purchase new or from me. At this point since demo programs seem to have fallen by the wayside I’m going to create my own with riders here in our little slice of the desert valley.