LOL .... this thread is finally descending into the deep muck of a true A&S masterpiece.
by the way ... @
njkayaker did Not use "circular reasoning." Not sure who understands that, or who understands what it means (if only there was, I don't know, a cartoon or something, which explained it really clearly .... ) but hey ... the cartoon was worth the pain of the rest of the thread, so thanks for that.