Originally Posted by dwmckee

Cool until you mount the wheels and try and figure out how to straighten a carbon frame that was made with the front and rear wheels 2 degrees out of line with each other! We have had a few of these come in to our shop over the past 2 years and still get the "It has Ultegra on it, why can't I get it in tune to ride properly. A high quality frame with Tiagara beats the pants off of a cheap knockoff frame with Ultegra bling hanging on it hands down.

An Ultegra derailleur sells a lot of Bikes Direct bikes at low prices, but you should see the owner's faces when we put the frame gauges on it and show them how far out of line everything is and explain why you cannot tune it properly when the crank and rear wheel axles are not parallel...

It amazes me how many people think teh rear derailleur is eh mark of quality instead of a well made frame and good set of wheels. Frame and wheels are the place to spend money and if thise are good quality you can run beautifully on a Tiagara build.