I don't know, seems this thread is on the threshold of getting flushed . . . it certainly seems to be circling. As usual, I think it suffices to say that different folks have different opinions on matters, and that's what makes the world go around.
We should keep in mind, however, that unfounded and overly broad statements are bound to be challenged, so if you want to maintain any credibility you should be ready to back them up with references. Don't expect others to dig up corroborating data that you claim you posted in some other unnamed thread. That's just FAIL.
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