Originally Posted by DougRNS

Perhaps define saddle position.

I have nowhere to go on saddle position in my view. The height seems dead on after riding it all week and it is all the way back on the rails. If i get more set back and move the seat back on the rails I will have what I am looking for. Yes, I might not be in the ideal KOPS position but that is how I have been riding for >15 years.

I rode the old bike and can tell that the position flattens me out by rolling my hips forward and balancing on the perenium and the sit bones equally. Right now I am more upright and on the sit bones mostly and cramped in the reach.

Ok, maybe i do have freakishly long arms.