I like the setups I see here. I have had to do some funky things to get my bike set up for what I carry. I suppose that I could get one of those buggys that follow behind for toting kids, but they cost to much. Fortunately I work for a custom strap manufacturer, so I can play with designs and get things to work how I want them to. Oh, yeah! if you want a quality custom strap for your paniers or replacement straps for your bike rack, at a very low price, check us out at www.strapworks.com