Originally Posted by
UniChris
Sorry, but the quote I responded to, "Being able to go up a hill like it is flat is just pure joy." is absolutely a motor vehicle perspective.
I get it, riding a motorcycle is fun. But when riding a bicycle, the joy of a hill is that you got up it yourself.
And yes, there are other ways to use a motor-assisted bicycle - but those are really not the "joy" the quote I responded to was advertising - if you'd said "not having to worry about hills as obstacles" that would set a very different tone, but "joy" of what the motor does, is the motor vehicle mindset.
And that's the problem with the whole idea - it doesn't stop at "assist", for most of the consumer (to say nothing of commercial) market inevitably goes on to "motoring" - something there's a century long tradition of doing for pleasure and utility, but as a distinct activity from bicycling.
Again not talking about motorcycles. Not sure how you are getting from E-bikes to motorcycles. We are talking about vehicles you pedal vs. vehicles that are run via motors entirely usually powered by petrol. I get that when you here motor you assume a lot of things many people who don't know the difference might say the same thing but you know what an e-bike and should as a long time member of this forum get it. I get it ignorance is bliss but I cannot believe you want to still remain ignorant about another segment of bicycles.
Joy of getting up a hill easier is still joy and doesn't have to be tied to a motor vehicle. I get it yes cars and motorcycles also get up a hill easily but that doesn't really pertain here. Being able to pedal up a hill but not be a knackered at the top is kinda nice. Sure you are getting assistance but you are still having to pedal it is just a heck of a lot easier.