Originally Posted by
obuckler
A couple of things: 1) the Tufo S33 pro I chose was very narrow. 21 mm I think. So they felt hard. 2) Tufos are sort of bonded together construction-wise so that also contributed to the hard ride. There is no suppleness at all in the side wall. I have previously described them as riding like a brick. And you cannot open and resew them. You have to use their goop. At least I did. It worked on a pinhole fine but I watch the container over time change into a ball of rubbery gunk and I did not like having that inside my tires. Lastly 3) aesthetics were terrible. I wanted and got a skinwall version but over a short time they darkened to essentially a black wall.
the difference in ride was indeed dramatic when I first rode a new set of Vittoria Corsa G+ 25mms. Heaven. Even better when I setup another wheelset with 28s. I got two actual flats on this brand —over a lot of miles so no worries—but I noticed whenever the road was wet the tread picked up road gunk too easily.
so I tried Veloflex Vlaanderens in 27/28mm size. My favorite all time now. None of the tackiness on wet roads and sublime ride quality.
but again these are personal choices. Like one may like a race care that telegraphs every bump in the road or another a smooth riding town car for Sunday driving!!
(neither of these ride like town cars by the way)
I learn best by doing. I really over thought the flat tire thing. (I hardly ever get them.) Read advice all over and was real scared about getting one. ;-). In the end I got rid of sealants because of the above complaint AND I observed a friend (riding a gorgeous 70s De Rosa which he raced back then) casually whip a flat tubular tire off and flip a worn spare back on faster than any club clincher rider ever could.
Thanks for the detailed feedback on the tires you've used. Yeah, I like a little suppleness in my sidewalls - I use 320tpi Vittoria Open Corsa SC/CX tires on my clincher rims and they are sublime when it comes to road feel and suppleness. I'm looking for a similar ride from tubulars and will probably go no lower than 23mm but probably 25mm. I've been looking around on Ebay for some tan wall Vittorias - or Challenges in 25mm. I noted they were available from a seller as recently as a couple weeks ago. Can't seem to find them now. Any suggestions for an online retailer of topline tubulars?
I do realize everyone will have their favorites, but I will be honest and say if they felt like a brick to you they probably would feel the same to me - and exhibit that dreaded skipping/chattering vice being planted in a turn.
As far as speed when doing a tire change goes, it's been my experience on group rides that a flat provides an opportunity for rest/relaxation/conversation/criticism/helpful tips while watching...you know the drill. It's almost as though the longer a tire change takes, the better for some! But, just for the record, I once changed out a tube and was almost done pumping it up - in less than 3 minutes - when the valve stem snapped off. Oops
Oh, and I'm the same way: learn by hands-on. I'll be having fun playing with these and seeing what I come up with for the best workable solution.
DD