This is what is wrong with internet forums.

Christ, this is a forum about bikes -- almost exclusively track bikes. We are all enthusiasts, some of us know one or two things about them; but many are ignorant. We are really lucky to have a few profssional framebuilders weigh in now and then. Especially, a framebuilder like DW who has specialized in competition track frames for quite a while. Geeze, we should be paying the guy to post here. To say nothing of e-Richie.

On top of that, many of us just enjoyed a great experience at the NAHBS, all due to Don's hard work. Don't tell me because I paid to get in, that I don't need to thank him for that work. We all should.

It is not OK, under the guise of "being real," to tell someone that you don't think his work is all that great. It is plain old bad manners.