Not sure if I'm still in this thread. The '07 Sirrus Drop Dar Conversion is my primary commuter and has over 16,946 miles on it. The '08 Bainchi San Jose/Joes8 is my winter bike. I still feel the pull of N+1 namely I'd love to try a Priority Apollo 11; however, I can't quite justify it as the San Jose8 is the 8speed prototype of the same kind of bike. So I think I'll be on these two until I just can't get my legs over them anymore .