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Originally Posted by
Schwinnsta
Our comments crossed while each other were writing. Please see my additional comments in my last post.
The rack stays don't take load to the dropouts, but to the seatstay braze-on eyelets, and I engineered things so the tension load there is small, as those welds are not large. I could replace my rack stays with shoelaces and the rack wouldn't move when static. Only under hard braking, might the rack stays take any compression load, and it would still be small.
I pretty much gave up on the rack that came with my Zizzo. I may put it back, but I think using for panniers would be nearly useless, as it's too low and too forward. I could use it for a top of the rack bag. I mainly use Brompton blocks. I made a clip on beam rack that I sometimes use to supplement the front block. Because the beam is short, 3 or 4 inches, the cantilever effect is not noticeable.