i love my ortliebs. They're basically indestructible, rainproof, snowproof, and i've fallen a few times and they've just had a few scuffs. They're mega expensive, but I don't regret paying full price for them. My only negative is that I wish they were a bit easy to remove if I'm going grocery shopping/commuting, especially if the weather sucks and I have to take off gloves to get them off.