Originally Posted by Hill160881

I want to apologize for how I did this. It was perhaps bad form but I do get really sick of the hate towards cheaper products with the claim you get what you pay for.

I have paid for both high end and the cheapest crap on alliexpress and gotten as much crap from name brands as from the cheap china products. This is why I hate carbon fiber in the bike industry. Zero standards between producers and no international standards like with metals.